On the surface, things like this look just fine. Pro-2nd Amendment advocates are fine with keeping firearms out of the hands of people who might well use them for crimes. But, there’s a bit of a problem
(NY Post) A bill that would allow police and prosecutors to confiscate weapons from people deemed a danger to themselves or others passed the state Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday.
The legislation was referred to a second committee before it can go to the floor for a vote, but even Republican opponents acknowledged it could pass. (snip)
“As we’ve seen, these tragedies where someone who clearly demonstrated evidence that they were likely to harm themselves or others eventually did so and local authorities have few steps that they can take – people have realized that this tool of an extreme risk protection order could be very effective in that circumstance,” said state Sen. Brian Kavanagh, a Manhattan Democrat who sponsored the bill.
The Senate bill would allow family members, household members, law enforcement and district attorneys to get emergency “Extreme Risk Protection Orders” when there’s clear evidence that someone is likely to try to hurt themselves or others. (snip)
Those deemed at risk could contest the move in a hearing. The temporary orders would allow cops to confiscate guns. But the orders would expire in a year, when a second hearing could be held to allow a judge to decide whether the guns could be returned.
This all seems like a good idea. If someone is showing signs that they could be a danger to themselves (I thought Dems approved of suicide?) and others, a temporary order restricting their firearms would not be a bad thing. Law abiding gun owners certainly do not want people using guns to commit crimes. But, see, this is how it kinda shakes out in reality, as we see in Rhode Island
(NRA) Senate Bill 2492A, sponsored by Senator Maryellen Goodwin (D-1), would create broad gun ban powers under the guise of “extreme risk” protection orders. NRA-ILA strongly believes that dangerous individuals should not have firearms. However, this “red flag” legislation is an overreach with few legal protections for those who may be falsely accused. This sweeping legislation would allow almost anyone to have another’s guns taken with little or no due process. The bill allows seizure and forfeiture through ex parte hearings where a respondent isn’t given notice and a hearing.
If you do not think the left will
use abuse such laws, you need some mental help. Also, consider that today we have an increasingly hypersensitive society, and do the math
So many want to blame guns, video games, or something else. Those ventures are a gross waste of time. There are bad people out there. And the first priority is preventing such attacks with proper security. Again, there are bad people out there, and they are typically looking for the softest targets. They will try to avoid areas that are so-called hard targets. Again, like any other predator, these evil people seek easy targets. There is a reason that almost all mass shootings happen in “gun-free zones”. The second priority is stopping such attacks as quickly as possible when they do happen. Tom Knighton gives us the hard truth that the left wants to shut their eyes to.
A lot of people don’t like the idea of school resource officers. They argue that a police officer right there inside the school sends the wrong message. They feel that it also helps feed the school to prison pipeline for whatever reason. For these folks, schools just aren’t a good place for police officers.
But no one seems to mind them when a school resource officer puts an abrupt end to a potential mass shooting.
School resource officer Mark Dallas of the Dixon, Ill., police department shot an ex-student at Dixon High School Wednesday morning preventing potential loss of life at the school after the ex-student opened fire on him.
The ordeal took place at about 8 a.m. local time when the suspect approached Officer Dallas and opened fire, according to local officials. Dallas then returned fire and hit the suspect. The suspect was then apprehended. He is receiving medical treatment for a non-life-threatening wound.
“The Dixon High School and all Dixon Public Schools are on lockdown,” Dixon city government said in a statement posted on their Facebook page. “Dixon Police believe the suspect acted alone and that there is no further threat to the safety of students or staff. Multiple police agencies are on scene. Further information will be released as it becomes available.”
Parents rushed to the scene to pick up their kids after learning of the attack. They were relieved by the news that none of their children were injured.
“My heart right now is racing a million miles a minute,” James Johnson, the father of two kids attending Dixon High School, told WQAD. “It’s very, very frightening.”
Johnson said he was grateful Officer Dallas was able to take quick action and protect his children.
Again, some people just want to dwell in a fairy tale world where armed people, even police officers are a bad thing. They wax on about a better world where guns do not exist, and blah, blah, blah. That, of course is not reality because again bad people exist. And ultimately it is either a presence of armed resistance that deters the bad, or the actual use of deadly force. Knighton sums it up
I also understand that an absence of police officers has never improved people’s behavior as a general rule. I also understand that if you’re not going to let teachers carry firearms, you need someone who is armed and can respond to a vicious attack like this.
That means a police officer of some sort.
Like it or not, anti-gunners, the only want to stop school shootings–or any kind of shooting, for that matter–you need good guys with guns. That’s the only way to stop a shooter. A determined attacker won’t be talked down, they damn sure won’t be hugged down, and they won’t stop until they’re confronted or they’re finished. Period.
If they’re confronted early, like this case, no one dies. That won’t always happen, unfortunately, because one officer can’t be everywhere. In this case, it did thankfully.
Just imagine how few people would die if there were more good guys with guns?
This is a point, of course, that some will simply never accept. For them reality must take a back seat to idealism. The trouble is in the ongoing battle between idealism and reality, reality is undefeated.
As I have often written, the only measure that will not only deter killers, but may stop them before they can injure or kill anyone is arming as many willing staff members as possible with concealed handguns. Knowing that any teacher in any building may very well be armed is the only predictably effective factor that could cause a killer to choose a softer target, or to abandon a murderous plot entirely.
Ironically, it is this factor that will keep most school districts from taking this step. Once the process of arming staff begins, any school district refusing to do the same paints a large target on the backs of their children and teachers. If the Smithville district arms teachers, but the next-door Jonestown district does not, killers will simply choose the gun free schools of Jonestown. As poorly informed as many school boards and administrators are on security and firearm issues, they understand this. As horrifying as it sounds, a great many of them would prefer to keep their schools victim disarmament, free fire zones than actually deter killers and save lives. Maintaining the ideological purity of progressive narratives takes precedence. Feeling safe is much more important than being safe.
Sickening to think such a thing true, but I think Mike is right. Yes, I know there are some idealists who just cannot stomach that children can only be protected by people with firearms. But, idealism, no matter how sincere or heartfelt, loses every time it meets reality.
Ideological cowardice on display. Because he can’t answer a challenge, he accuses Carlson of denigrating cops? BTW, Cops are not outgunned
Anti-gun jihadists will tell us over and over that gun control works. They claim the violent crime rates throughout the developed world are more than sufficient evidence to prove it works.
I, however, usually counter that by pointing out that those countries tend to have a lower rate of violence in general. However, terrorists and other people with similar, criminal inclinations, have an annoying tendency to still get firearms into the country to conduct their nefarious deeds.
Kind of like what happened in France yesterday.
Hooded gunmen armed with AK-47s have opened fire near a group of young people on a housing estate outside the French Mediterranean city of Marseille before reportedly taking a man hostage.
At least one person was injured when the gunmen, all dressed in black, drew up in three vehicles, and began shooting near a cultural centre in the Busserine district.
The local newspaper La Provence reported that the armed gang appeared to be looking for someone and threatened locals before firing several times into the air. They then grabbed a youth and drove off.
Police said the incident was not being investigated as terrorism.
Amateur film footage posted on Twitter showed at least half a dozen black-clad gunmen firing, apparently at random, on the estate. Witnesses said the group brandished several semi-automatic rifles and at least one handgun.
Now, whether these were real AK-47s or semi-automatic clones is irrelevant at this point. France doesn’t allow ordinary people to have either, at least not in any meaningful way. France is a country with very strict gun control policies and guess what happened? The same thing that will keep happening in every country with a disarmed citizenry. Those with guns will do whatever the hell they want.
Disarming the good serves evil, not good France is learning this lesson. You cannot stop bad people with gun laws
11-22 March, Toulouse and Montauban: Gunman Mohammed Merah, 23, a French citizen of Algerian extraction, killed three soldiers on 11 and 15 March, before shooting three children and a teacher at a Jewish school on 19 March.
He was eventually killed on 22 March during a lengthy police siege at his flat in Toulouse.
7-9 January, Charlie Hebdo offices and Hypercacher supermarket, Paris:Brothers Said and Cherif Kouachi attacked the offices of French magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris, killing 12 people including the editor and celebrated cartoonists. The following day a policewoman was murdered by Amedy Coulibaly, who then held up a Jewish supermarket, killing four people. The Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly were all killed after separate hostage stand-offs with police.
13-14 November, Paris: Gunmen and suicide bombers hit a concert hall, a major stadium, restaurants and bars, almost simultaneously – and left 130 people dead and hundreds wounded. The deadliest attack of the night came at a concert venue on Boulevard Voltaire, where Californian rock group Eagles of Death Metal was playing. Eighty-nine people died as the men fired Kalashnikov-type assault rifles into the crowd.
And even those who did not use a firearm found ways to commit evil deeds
14 July, Nice: At least 84 people were killed, including children, after a lorry slammed through a crowd celebrating Bastille Day in the southern French city of Nice. The driver ploughed on for 2km (1.2 miles) on the Promenade des Anglais at about 23:00 local time, before being shot dead by police. Witnesses say the speeding lorry swerved and zigzagged in an apparent attempt to hit more people.
France has gun control, and also horrific terror attacks.